Just like the idea of transmission from the jabbed to the unjabbed - I thought in the beginning it couldn't possibly be true - until I found out that it was. Your theory is gaining traction because it is being reported so often! And combine the leaky vaccine hypothesis with the neurological and psychotropic alterations you're discussion and one has to ask - how do we protect ourselves even if we haven't taken the jabs? I still firmly believe that the human body is self-regulating and self-healing, but in such an overtly toxic world, how much more can it take?
I have consolidated my efforts to a new-ish tangent that I am about to write articles on. Having been beset with covid, then high blood sugar, then shingles, all over the last 8 months, I have been researching herbal treatments for all of them. As part of that process I noticed that covid and diabetes can be treated with the same herbs, which I thought rather strange as one is supposedly viral and the other is not. Then I noticed that ALL of them are accompanied by neuropathy, so is my neuropathy damage from covid, from high blood sugar or apparently now, from the latent and now released chicken pox virus? (Shingles is the weirdest ailment when you start studying it - it just doesn't make sense.)
I have started to ask the question, "what if the neuropathy causes, rather than is caused by, the other manifestations of ill health"? And of course, that would lead us to asking what causes neurological damage if it is not each of these named diseases? Having three named diseases all causing neuropathy just seems like too much of a co-incidence to me.
Neuropathy has largely defeated mainstream medicine, but we do know that WiFi and other environmental factors including completely natural ones, can damage the human nervous system. You may recall that the towns most afflicted by covid in the very early days were those that had the first experimental blanket 5G rollouts, including Wuhan. So what if environmental disruptors are damaging the human nervous system, and causing various different human systems, dependent on good neural messaging, to fail?
If my speculations are right, the jabs may have made us more vulnerable to neurological damage with the various metals and other toxic stuff in the jabs (all jabs - I was an anti-vaxxer long before covid) which amplify the electrical effects impacting on us in the environment. But despite this, we are all vulnerable, jabbed or not, just some more so than others.
That leads me of four avenues of research.
1 - How can we protect our bodies from these environmental disruptions as best we can?
2 - How can we protect our nerves specifically from that damage?
3 - How can we repair already damaged nerves?
4 - How can we manage the often disabling pain of already damaged nerves while researching cure?
I think that is 2023 taken care of. I have a weird and apparently unfounded belief that the protection we need will turn out to be something astoundingly simple. We just don't know what it is yet.
I would concur with the stress numbing hypothesis. Also, when you know freedoms have been and can anytime again be taken away from you, this can produce a sense of "so what". Why feel joy. I think it's something that zoo and lab animals must feel. Part of what is happening to us now is something that we did and do to other beings. I am not an activist and I have felt this acutely for the first time in this context with this experience. But I find your vagus theory very interesting and I don't know what the truth about these phenomena is.
I think, although for us this doesn't feel desirable... The decreased sensation of joy somehow tries to 'protect us' from renewed disappointment in case of renewed withdrawal of liberty. And actually isn't that also a mechanism they found while doing the Biderman experiments? That an intermittent bad and good treatment regulates down certain positive emotions? Ig probably wasn't phrased that way anyhow, but I think that's what happened. For example, I have totally lost interest in eating out, as it doesn't any longer feel like I am a sovereign citizen doing as I please. Restaurants for me have become too connected to all the emergency order sensations.
I have differentiated between nature and human infrastructure. I feel the same way about going back to businesses that treated me badly, which is most of them.
I wonder if it's a numbing effect from too much collective stress. Drought, fires, floods, politics and poisoning propaganda.
My last and final PCR in May 2021. From that day I lost my sense of smell. Not completely but enough to loose enjoyment of food.
The after effects of intense stress over the last 2 years, job loss and an imposed midlife crisis leaves us exhausted after a normal days' effort.
Are we depressed? Probably. Was it the PCR that damaged my sinus or covid? I think the EO. I've not met one person who has a diagnosed long covid ("I don't know") by Drs who hasn't been vaxxed. You're the first I've heard. I suspect it's different from what we've personally seen - vax damaged immunity.
Whether it's chemical, waves of some sort or a virus, I agree with you on our approach and focus must be intentional. I have made myself so ill over the years from stress. If we can make ourselves sick we can also heal. Gratitude, wonder of beauty and personal connection. With me I'll put a connection with God first. It's hard at first, then becomes a daily fix. The healthiest one ever.
Note to myself. This is a comment I made on someone else's post to clarify my research into the vagus nerve and its relationship to covid and long covid.
"I have a problem with how the vagus nerve is addressed medically. It seems that malfunction is viewed as being caused by psychology and fixed by psychology. What I am exploring is how it can be damaged physically and what can be done to repair it physically. This is not to dispute the importance of psychology, and its compounding effect, but to question which is the chicken and which is the egg.
I have started to watch the long covid groups to see how much of what is happening to them can be attributed to vagus nerve malfunction, and it is a lot.
However, there is very little information on the web about the physical nature of the vagus nerve and there is nothing to explain how or why covid is doing so much apparent damage to vagus nerve functioning.
There is a lot on how to stimulate it, and for the time we are focusing on stimulating it, maybe we are not pumping stress hormones, but the minute we stop stimulating it, we start pumping stress hormones again. And this is appallingly common amongst long covid sufferers who cannot get out of fight and flight mode. They regularly wake up with panic attacks that trigger all their symptoms, and although my case is not as severe, I can clearly recognise that I am trapped in fight or flight. I struggle to control my reactivity even though I am aware of it.
The result of this perpetual fight or flight state is that too many other body systems are shut down. The vagus nerve along with the stress hormones, is carrying the wrong messages to the heart, lungs, liver, pancreas - telling them to all go away until the danger is over, or step up their functioning until the danger is over, but the danger is never over. Doctors are looking for failures in the various organs or systems, instead of looking at the idea of faulty messaging to and from those organs/systems. Most in the long covid groups have been bombarded with batteries of tests for the organs or systems that seem to be malfunctioning, but which are shown to be functioning perfectly. They are not taking the next step and looking at the possibility that these perfectly functioning systems are obeying faulty orders - from the autonomic nervous system. And they are not asking how we re-set that system to start giving the correct orders. So I am left with the question, if everything is functioning perfectly but obeying bad orders, how do we get good orders? It's like the vagus nerve is a telephone line with a scrambler on it, so the recipient of the message is not hearing all of the message as intended. We are doing our best to obey those faulty messages.
I have seen one research paper that claims that the covid spike protein can attach to ACE2 receptors on the vagus nerve and hitch hike around the body that way. But it does not go anywhere near suggesting how to either protect the vagus nerve or cure it of its spike protein "infestation".
I have seen a couple of passing references to "feeding" the vagus nerve, and the two elements I have seen mentioned are vitamin B12 and Choline, but again, just passing references, when listing the benefits of those elements, rather than a focus on how those elements can help the vagus nerve in particular, or how and what doses we should administer, or how we can test for results.
Meanwhile, in the absence of anything I can do physically other than take B12 and Choline on faith, I am doing all sorts of stuff recommended for stimulating the vagus nerve. So are lots of other people, but one fear is that some of what we are doing to stimulate the vagus nerve is ALSO stimulating stress hormone production. Could it be? Who knows? Many are going onto psychiatric drugs to dull their stress hormone responses, but few are getting good results in terms of overall quality of life.
So what next? For many, this is a 2+ year journey where their health is getting worse, not better. Milder cases, such as my own, seem to show some minimal level of improvement. So, either way, we need to fix this.
I am looking into integrative medicine practitioners, who use red and near-infrared light therapy, certain nutritional support, and various other therapies in treating long Covid. Have any of these shown to be promising?
They might if I could find any. Unfortunately I have no idea. I live in rural Australia, and there are a few in Wollongong who are all booked up and taking no new patients, and none near me. So I am left doing the best I can getting tests done by my local GP (who is afraid of being investigated for over-servicing) and working out my own treatments that I can access and afford. It is far from satisfactory. But it is forcing me to focus down on the basics, breathing, hydration, sleep, relaxation, and the cheaper supplements.
Long before Covid, all workups for Parkinson’s Disease included repeated questions about changes in sense of smell or loss of sense of smell. Also, I assume, work ups regarding suspicions of olfactory nerve damage. Covid is said to be triggering Parkinson’s Disease in some sufferers, and worsening the symptoms thereof in some who already have PD. Perhaps there is a connection between what you are feeling and why people with PD feel as they do.
There is a link between many diseases, and it is called the vagus nerve. It's a mighty powerful nerve and if it malfunctions, can disrupt just about any bodily system. I am speculating that dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system is the cause behind many apparently disparate diseases, and that would explain why the range of symptoms of covid and long covid is so huge - it is everything that can result from vagus nerve malfunction, and that is about everything.
Apparently the spike protein attaches to ACE2 receptors, and the vagus nerve has ACE2 receptors. Of course, how to fix vagus nerve damage is another story.
I fear so. I had also refused any swabs before I was hospitalised with covid. Lying there in "resus", they tried to swab me. I refused, at which stage they threatened to withdraw treatment. I knew all my bodily systems were failing (ie that I was dying) so I ended up allowing the two nasal swabs - both a RAT and a PCR. So I do not now know which of my symptoms are strictly related to covid, which are the result of toxins from the swabs and which are the result of medications give to supposedly keep me alive (for example, I was given Dexamethasone which is known to destroy blood sugar metabolism so now I am dealing with what is called diabetes). It's quite a complex picture to navigate and self-medicate one's way through.
Hope you get your love connection and senses back in full! Yes, I too have had odd distancing from nature joy. Took up a newish nature hobby to reconnect. Having a no cell or internet weekends helps recreate human eye connection in our household and that helps some!
Can’t say I’ve noticed any of those things personally. I did lose my sense of smell when I had Covid - if I had Covid but that’s pretty normal when you have a cold. It’s returned once I got well. I don’t doubt these things aren’t real to you personally. I’d postulate that a lack of interest in nature and art and beauty in general is part of the malaise of modern society.
Having certain artistic/cultural venues & activities taken away from un\/@)()(Ed folk (which I experienced in Victoria) definitely had an impact too. I find I don't want to go to places I used to enjoy being at - library, art gallery etc
I've been very shaky, emotional & easily angered after an attack on the vagus nerve (had the Rona in September & want to avoid certain places now because I've gotten easily angered by a trivial thing. I don't want to hurt, upset or harm others now & just want to avoid these situations. Totally out of character.)
I think it's a combination of the illness & the mental trauma of the past 2 years here in Melbourne.
Same. I have an overwhelming desire to want to go into a Dome cafe or wherever and order a large coffee then proceed to pour it all over the counter. “That’s for excluding the unvaxxed.” I’ll say ... that’s my current revenge fantasy.
My first response to your comment was defensive so I will try again. You have missed my point.
What you have or have not personally experienced is not relevant to my point. My point is there might be something creeping up on us that is going to turn the unvaxxed and vaxxed alike, into psychopaths unable to feel or sense the world around them. If they don't get us one way, they may very well get us a different way - the way I have described is one possibility.
It is of no importance that you have not noticed your own humanity declining. It probably has, which is why you were unable to "feel" the importance of my speculation or the subtleties around it. I am not saying I am right. In fact, I made it perfectly clear that it might be me personally dying to my own soul, and not a general phenomenon, and frankly, it might be time for me to check out. But if it is generalised, which is indicated by the reports from hundreds of thousand of people on the long covid groups (I am not exaggerating), then this war has just hotted up. Smug self-satisfaction at resisting the pressure to take the jab is not going to save us.
So please, whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. Keep the idea on the back burner and watch out for it. You may be called on to save your own or someone else's humanity, if I am right.
I entertain all possibilities. Suffice to say this culture we live in currently is leading us nowhere good. If the end game is control then they’d want to capture as many as possible and those that put up too much resistance will need to be dealt with.
...and because of this I am urging everyone to pay attention to one way (there are others) that "they" are wiping out the resistance. If we do not learn how to heal the damage done by what is called covid, which results eventually in what is called long covid, then the resistance being mounted by the unvaxxed is doomed to die out.
Just like the idea of transmission from the jabbed to the unjabbed - I thought in the beginning it couldn't possibly be true - until I found out that it was. Your theory is gaining traction because it is being reported so often! And combine the leaky vaccine hypothesis with the neurological and psychotropic alterations you're discussion and one has to ask - how do we protect ourselves even if we haven't taken the jabs? I still firmly believe that the human body is self-regulating and self-healing, but in such an overtly toxic world, how much more can it take?
I have consolidated my efforts to a new-ish tangent that I am about to write articles on. Having been beset with covid, then high blood sugar, then shingles, all over the last 8 months, I have been researching herbal treatments for all of them. As part of that process I noticed that covid and diabetes can be treated with the same herbs, which I thought rather strange as one is supposedly viral and the other is not. Then I noticed that ALL of them are accompanied by neuropathy, so is my neuropathy damage from covid, from high blood sugar or apparently now, from the latent and now released chicken pox virus? (Shingles is the weirdest ailment when you start studying it - it just doesn't make sense.)
I have started to ask the question, "what if the neuropathy causes, rather than is caused by, the other manifestations of ill health"? And of course, that would lead us to asking what causes neurological damage if it is not each of these named diseases? Having three named diseases all causing neuropathy just seems like too much of a co-incidence to me.
Neuropathy has largely defeated mainstream medicine, but we do know that WiFi and other environmental factors including completely natural ones, can damage the human nervous system. You may recall that the towns most afflicted by covid in the very early days were those that had the first experimental blanket 5G rollouts, including Wuhan. So what if environmental disruptors are damaging the human nervous system, and causing various different human systems, dependent on good neural messaging, to fail?
If my speculations are right, the jabs may have made us more vulnerable to neurological damage with the various metals and other toxic stuff in the jabs (all jabs - I was an anti-vaxxer long before covid) which amplify the electrical effects impacting on us in the environment. But despite this, we are all vulnerable, jabbed or not, just some more so than others.
That leads me of four avenues of research.
1 - How can we protect our bodies from these environmental disruptions as best we can?
2 - How can we protect our nerves specifically from that damage?
3 - How can we repair already damaged nerves?
4 - How can we manage the often disabling pain of already damaged nerves while researching cure?
I think that is 2023 taken care of. I have a weird and apparently unfounded belief that the protection we need will turn out to be something astoundingly simple. We just don't know what it is yet.
I would concur with the stress numbing hypothesis. Also, when you know freedoms have been and can anytime again be taken away from you, this can produce a sense of "so what". Why feel joy. I think it's something that zoo and lab animals must feel. Part of what is happening to us now is something that we did and do to other beings. I am not an activist and I have felt this acutely for the first time in this context with this experience. But I find your vagus theory very interesting and I don't know what the truth about these phenomena is.
I think, although for us this doesn't feel desirable... The decreased sensation of joy somehow tries to 'protect us' from renewed disappointment in case of renewed withdrawal of liberty. And actually isn't that also a mechanism they found while doing the Biderman experiments? That an intermittent bad and good treatment regulates down certain positive emotions? Ig probably wasn't phrased that way anyhow, but I think that's what happened. For example, I have totally lost interest in eating out, as it doesn't any longer feel like I am a sovereign citizen doing as I please. Restaurants for me have become too connected to all the emergency order sensations.
Interesting take on things.
And it shouldn't be like this, I ought to consciously overcome that feeling. But I guess I am waiting and observing where things go, for now.
I have differentiated between nature and human infrastructure. I feel the same way about going back to businesses that treated me badly, which is most of them.
I wonder if it's a numbing effect from too much collective stress. Drought, fires, floods, politics and poisoning propaganda.
My last and final PCR in May 2021. From that day I lost my sense of smell. Not completely but enough to loose enjoyment of food.
The after effects of intense stress over the last 2 years, job loss and an imposed midlife crisis leaves us exhausted after a normal days' effort.
Are we depressed? Probably. Was it the PCR that damaged my sinus or covid? I think the EO. I've not met one person who has a diagnosed long covid ("I don't know") by Drs who hasn't been vaxxed. You're the first I've heard. I suspect it's different from what we've personally seen - vax damaged immunity.
Whether it's chemical, waves of some sort or a virus, I agree with you on our approach and focus must be intentional. I have made myself so ill over the years from stress. If we can make ourselves sick we can also heal. Gratitude, wonder of beauty and personal connection. With me I'll put a connection with God first. It's hard at first, then becomes a daily fix. The healthiest one ever.
Thanks for your article
Note to myself. This is a comment I made on someone else's post to clarify my research into the vagus nerve and its relationship to covid and long covid.
"I have a problem with how the vagus nerve is addressed medically. It seems that malfunction is viewed as being caused by psychology and fixed by psychology. What I am exploring is how it can be damaged physically and what can be done to repair it physically. This is not to dispute the importance of psychology, and its compounding effect, but to question which is the chicken and which is the egg.
I have started to watch the long covid groups to see how much of what is happening to them can be attributed to vagus nerve malfunction, and it is a lot.
However, there is very little information on the web about the physical nature of the vagus nerve and there is nothing to explain how or why covid is doing so much apparent damage to vagus nerve functioning.
There is a lot on how to stimulate it, and for the time we are focusing on stimulating it, maybe we are not pumping stress hormones, but the minute we stop stimulating it, we start pumping stress hormones again. And this is appallingly common amongst long covid sufferers who cannot get out of fight and flight mode. They regularly wake up with panic attacks that trigger all their symptoms, and although my case is not as severe, I can clearly recognise that I am trapped in fight or flight. I struggle to control my reactivity even though I am aware of it.
The result of this perpetual fight or flight state is that too many other body systems are shut down. The vagus nerve along with the stress hormones, is carrying the wrong messages to the heart, lungs, liver, pancreas - telling them to all go away until the danger is over, or step up their functioning until the danger is over, but the danger is never over. Doctors are looking for failures in the various organs or systems, instead of looking at the idea of faulty messaging to and from those organs/systems. Most in the long covid groups have been bombarded with batteries of tests for the organs or systems that seem to be malfunctioning, but which are shown to be functioning perfectly. They are not taking the next step and looking at the possibility that these perfectly functioning systems are obeying faulty orders - from the autonomic nervous system. And they are not asking how we re-set that system to start giving the correct orders. So I am left with the question, if everything is functioning perfectly but obeying bad orders, how do we get good orders? It's like the vagus nerve is a telephone line with a scrambler on it, so the recipient of the message is not hearing all of the message as intended. We are doing our best to obey those faulty messages.
I have seen one research paper that claims that the covid spike protein can attach to ACE2 receptors on the vagus nerve and hitch hike around the body that way. But it does not go anywhere near suggesting how to either protect the vagus nerve or cure it of its spike protein "infestation".
I have seen a couple of passing references to "feeding" the vagus nerve, and the two elements I have seen mentioned are vitamin B12 and Choline, but again, just passing references, when listing the benefits of those elements, rather than a focus on how those elements can help the vagus nerve in particular, or how and what doses we should administer, or how we can test for results.
Meanwhile, in the absence of anything I can do physically other than take B12 and Choline on faith, I am doing all sorts of stuff recommended for stimulating the vagus nerve. So are lots of other people, but one fear is that some of what we are doing to stimulate the vagus nerve is ALSO stimulating stress hormone production. Could it be? Who knows? Many are going onto psychiatric drugs to dull their stress hormone responses, but few are getting good results in terms of overall quality of life.
So what next? For many, this is a 2+ year journey where their health is getting worse, not better. Milder cases, such as my own, seem to show some minimal level of improvement. So, either way, we need to fix this.
I am looking into integrative medicine practitioners, who use red and near-infrared light therapy, certain nutritional support, and various other therapies in treating long Covid. Have any of these shown to be promising?
They might if I could find any. Unfortunately I have no idea. I live in rural Australia, and there are a few in Wollongong who are all booked up and taking no new patients, and none near me. So I am left doing the best I can getting tests done by my local GP (who is afraid of being investigated for over-servicing) and working out my own treatments that I can access and afford. It is far from satisfactory. But it is forcing me to focus down on the basics, breathing, hydration, sleep, relaxation, and the cheaper supplements.
Long before Covid, all workups for Parkinson’s Disease included repeated questions about changes in sense of smell or loss of sense of smell. Also, I assume, work ups regarding suspicions of olfactory nerve damage. Covid is said to be triggering Parkinson’s Disease in some sufferers, and worsening the symptoms thereof in some who already have PD. Perhaps there is a connection between what you are feeling and why people with PD feel as they do.
There is a link between many diseases, and it is called the vagus nerve. It's a mighty powerful nerve and if it malfunctions, can disrupt just about any bodily system. I am speculating that dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system is the cause behind many apparently disparate diseases, and that would explain why the range of symptoms of covid and long covid is so huge - it is everything that can result from vagus nerve malfunction, and that is about everything.
Apparently the spike protein attaches to ACE2 receptors, and the vagus nerve has ACE2 receptors. Of course, how to fix vagus nerve damage is another story.
Might the swabs (for pcr, antigen) be a possible source of contaminants, perhaps luciferase
I fear so. I had also refused any swabs before I was hospitalised with covid. Lying there in "resus", they tried to swab me. I refused, at which stage they threatened to withdraw treatment. I knew all my bodily systems were failing (ie that I was dying) so I ended up allowing the two nasal swabs - both a RAT and a PCR. So I do not now know which of my symptoms are strictly related to covid, which are the result of toxins from the swabs and which are the result of medications give to supposedly keep me alive (for example, I was given Dexamethasone which is known to destroy blood sugar metabolism so now I am dealing with what is called diabetes). It's quite a complex picture to navigate and self-medicate one's way through.
Hope you get your love connection and senses back in full! Yes, I too have had odd distancing from nature joy. Took up a newish nature hobby to reconnect. Having a no cell or internet weekends helps recreate human eye connection in our household and that helps some!
Can’t say I’ve noticed any of those things personally. I did lose my sense of smell when I had Covid - if I had Covid but that’s pretty normal when you have a cold. It’s returned once I got well. I don’t doubt these things aren’t real to you personally. I’d postulate that a lack of interest in nature and art and beauty in general is part of the malaise of modern society.
Having certain artistic/cultural venues & activities taken away from un\/@)()(Ed folk (which I experienced in Victoria) definitely had an impact too. I find I don't want to go to places I used to enjoy being at - library, art gallery etc
I've been very shaky, emotional & easily angered after an attack on the vagus nerve (had the Rona in September & want to avoid certain places now because I've gotten easily angered by a trivial thing. I don't want to hurt, upset or harm others now & just want to avoid these situations. Totally out of character.)
I think it's a combination of the illness & the mental trauma of the past 2 years here in Melbourne.
Same. I have an overwhelming desire to want to go into a Dome cafe or wherever and order a large coffee then proceed to pour it all over the counter. “That’s for excluding the unvaxxed.” I’ll say ... that’s my current revenge fantasy.
Funny - that's not really entered my head.
My first response to your comment was defensive so I will try again. You have missed my point.
What you have or have not personally experienced is not relevant to my point. My point is there might be something creeping up on us that is going to turn the unvaxxed and vaxxed alike, into psychopaths unable to feel or sense the world around them. If they don't get us one way, they may very well get us a different way - the way I have described is one possibility.
It is of no importance that you have not noticed your own humanity declining. It probably has, which is why you were unable to "feel" the importance of my speculation or the subtleties around it. I am not saying I am right. In fact, I made it perfectly clear that it might be me personally dying to my own soul, and not a general phenomenon, and frankly, it might be time for me to check out. But if it is generalised, which is indicated by the reports from hundreds of thousand of people on the long covid groups (I am not exaggerating), then this war has just hotted up. Smug self-satisfaction at resisting the pressure to take the jab is not going to save us.
So please, whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. Keep the idea on the back burner and watch out for it. You may be called on to save your own or someone else's humanity, if I am right.
I entertain all possibilities. Suffice to say this culture we live in currently is leading us nowhere good. If the end game is control then they’d want to capture as many as possible and those that put up too much resistance will need to be dealt with.
...and because of this I am urging everyone to pay attention to one way (there are others) that "they" are wiping out the resistance. If we do not learn how to heal the damage done by what is called covid, which results eventually in what is called long covid, then the resistance being mounted by the unvaxxed is doomed to die out.